Gregintosh
Apr 12, 01:11 PM
Whoever said that was hard to understand? Not me!
This is a big problem (and has been for 30+ years)...that everything we buy in the USA is made somewhere else...USA no longer manufactures except for our junky USA cars.
Sure...at some point when this all started decades ago, it WAS cheaper to build certain things outside the US...but then everyone got on the bandwagon and now it's the norm. (Thanks politicians!)
The "it's cheaper to build outside the US!" is a bogus argument and has become an evil of our own doing.
If it costs X to build in the US, please don't tell me it costs 1/10th of X to build, import, pay taxes, blah blah blah, to get it back into your company's hands.
We can all agree that some things, yes, are easier and/or cheaper to build outside the US for a variety of reasons. Our USA system needs some serious overhauls to get stuff to be built back in the US other than screws and toilet paper.
You are still not getting it. It does cost a fraction to build things outside the US.
The US minimum wage is $8.25 per hour in many states. The minimum wage in a country like the Philippines is about $0.71.
Because of labor unions and their regulations, a manufacturer typically needs to pay significantly above minimum wage anyway, PLUS benefits like health insurance cost way more. In the Philippines (which I bring up because I employ people there) health care cost about $10 per worker per month. Here in the US it can cost several hundred.
Payroll taxes are no picnic either. Typically, in the US the total cost of hiring a worker when you factor in payroll, admin, benefits, etc. is that worker's salary + 25%.
Labor is one of the biggest expenses any company has. Manufacturing requires a lot of labor too. You need people to operate machines, fix machines, load products, even assemble certain items by hand in some cases.
So you can easily do the math. Where in one country you can get people for a dollar an hour to work and in other you get them for $10-$12 an hour, clearly the cost to operate in expensive country is 10x as much. That means you have to raise your prices that much more.
Now all total manufacturing expenses aren't 10x more, since raw materials will typically cost the same anywhere in the world and there are some overhead expenses as well, but that labor difference is still huge when you consider a company like FoxConn that has 920,000 employees.
Moving to the US would mean they would effectively have labor costs as if they were hiring 10 million employees instead of 1 million. You can't say that wouldn't make them raise their prices several fold to compensate for that.
You can run the math yourself based on their number of employees, average wages in China, average wages in the US and their profit margins.
Anyone who thinks it costs the same or only slightly more to produce here is living in a dream world.
This is a big problem (and has been for 30+ years)...that everything we buy in the USA is made somewhere else...USA no longer manufactures except for our junky USA cars.
Sure...at some point when this all started decades ago, it WAS cheaper to build certain things outside the US...but then everyone got on the bandwagon and now it's the norm. (Thanks politicians!)
The "it's cheaper to build outside the US!" is a bogus argument and has become an evil of our own doing.
If it costs X to build in the US, please don't tell me it costs 1/10th of X to build, import, pay taxes, blah blah blah, to get it back into your company's hands.
We can all agree that some things, yes, are easier and/or cheaper to build outside the US for a variety of reasons. Our USA system needs some serious overhauls to get stuff to be built back in the US other than screws and toilet paper.
You are still not getting it. It does cost a fraction to build things outside the US.
The US minimum wage is $8.25 per hour in many states. The minimum wage in a country like the Philippines is about $0.71.
Because of labor unions and their regulations, a manufacturer typically needs to pay significantly above minimum wage anyway, PLUS benefits like health insurance cost way more. In the Philippines (which I bring up because I employ people there) health care cost about $10 per worker per month. Here in the US it can cost several hundred.
Payroll taxes are no picnic either. Typically, in the US the total cost of hiring a worker when you factor in payroll, admin, benefits, etc. is that worker's salary + 25%.
Labor is one of the biggest expenses any company has. Manufacturing requires a lot of labor too. You need people to operate machines, fix machines, load products, even assemble certain items by hand in some cases.
So you can easily do the math. Where in one country you can get people for a dollar an hour to work and in other you get them for $10-$12 an hour, clearly the cost to operate in expensive country is 10x as much. That means you have to raise your prices that much more.
Now all total manufacturing expenses aren't 10x more, since raw materials will typically cost the same anywhere in the world and there are some overhead expenses as well, but that labor difference is still huge when you consider a company like FoxConn that has 920,000 employees.
Moving to the US would mean they would effectively have labor costs as if they were hiring 10 million employees instead of 1 million. You can't say that wouldn't make them raise their prices several fold to compensate for that.
You can run the math yourself based on their number of employees, average wages in China, average wages in the US and their profit margins.
Anyone who thinks it costs the same or only slightly more to produce here is living in a dream world.
benixau
Oct 12, 03:36 PM
Look, dont get me wrong. I believe that as soon as apple and motorola say ta-ta to each other for the mac's CPU then we may have a decent processor under the hood. Look, whilst ironic that the very chip we want comes from a copmany at the complete opposite end of the market, a power4 even cut down at 2Ghz or 2.5Ghz may get apple upto maybe 10-15% of the market share. That is important because then we would become a sizable group. Worth seriously developing for maybe???
Most of the oldest apple allys dont take apple seriously anymore and they just pump out aps that are compatible to stop the email flood that would occur if they didnt.
Most of the oldest apple allys dont take apple seriously anymore and they just pump out aps that are compatible to stop the email flood that would occur if they didnt.
unemployed
Aug 3, 11:08 PM
Huh? No one thought that the MBP at the end of the banner was a phone...
read this somewhere- not sure if it has been posted here yet. Seems like the MBP at the end of the banner has a different (thinner) speaker design than both the current MBP 15' & 17'
Here are some images of the banner, MBP 15 & 17
read this somewhere- not sure if it has been posted here yet. Seems like the MBP at the end of the banner has a different (thinner) speaker design than both the current MBP 15' & 17'
Here are some images of the banner, MBP 15 & 17
meepm00pmeep
Sep 23, 06:53 PM
i refuse to shop 'walmart again
louis Fashion
Mar 28, 04:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by louis Fashion
My diesel SUV will EAT your 95 MPG mini-mini. Hoooya. and when did this become the Auto blog?
Originally Posted by iliketyla: I think I got off on a tangent, 'cause to be honest if I had the means I'd probably own one too. Sorry for being a hypocrite.
It's just at 19 I'm limited as to what I can afford, so a scooter seemed like a good investment to save money while I go to school.
You are forgiven, iliketyla. Go forth and prosper. And scoot safe.
Originally Posted by louis Fashion
My diesel SUV will EAT your 95 MPG mini-mini. Hoooya. and when did this become the Auto blog?
Originally Posted by iliketyla: I think I got off on a tangent, 'cause to be honest if I had the means I'd probably own one too. Sorry for being a hypocrite.
It's just at 19 I'm limited as to what I can afford, so a scooter seemed like a good investment to save money while I go to school.
You are forgiven, iliketyla. Go forth and prosper. And scoot safe.
Marble
Jul 22, 08:42 PM
And I was hoping I wouldn't go blind before forty. Sheesh.
mccldwll
Mar 28, 01:57 PM
I can't believe they are going to start to sell the ipad2 at radio shack, and they haven't improved on my ship date of 4 to 5 weeks. You would think that they would take care of the ones that allready paid full price for theirs. I guess they need the interest that they are getting by holding on to everyones pre-paid orders through their own apple store.:(:(
Sounds like you've never actually ordered. Credit cards do not get charged until orders actually ship.
Further, obviously Apple didn't just decide last week to add RS, despite delays at other venues. The deal with RS would have been cut a long time ago, and Apple would be subject to certain supply requirements.
Sounds like you've never actually ordered. Credit cards do not get charged until orders actually ship.
Further, obviously Apple didn't just decide last week to add RS, despite delays at other venues. The deal with RS would have been cut a long time ago, and Apple would be subject to certain supply requirements.
Full of Win
Apr 2, 12:03 AM
I hope this is true!!!
How is Sony's track record with sensors though?
Let's go Fall! (Not even WWDC ;))
They make all of Nikons sensors, even the high end D3S and D3X dSLRs ones. They also made (or make?) Canon point and shoot sensors; at least as of a few years ago. Sony was one of the first with backlit CMOS as well.
Oh, and I think Pentax, if you want to consider them a camera compay, uses Sony sensors.
How is Sony's track record with sensors though?
Let's go Fall! (Not even WWDC ;))
They make all of Nikons sensors, even the high end D3S and D3X dSLRs ones. They also made (or make?) Canon point and shoot sensors; at least as of a few years ago. Sony was one of the first with backlit CMOS as well.
Oh, and I think Pentax, if you want to consider them a camera compay, uses Sony sensors.
toddybody
Apr 14, 09:08 AM
More great news. I wonder where the limit on this growth will be?
I'm not trying to pee in Apple's Cheerios at all...but i do wonder at what point will they reach a plateau in sales growth. That said, I don't think they're close to it yet...China is becoming a great new market for them...
I'm not trying to pee in Apple's Cheerios at all...but i do wonder at what point will they reach a plateau in sales growth. That said, I don't think they're close to it yet...China is becoming a great new market for them...
comacnut
Mar 18, 03:55 PM
We were all just as whiny 10 years ago as we are today! Too funny.
gfiz
Mar 12, 05:38 AM
Although:
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/03/11/macbook-pro-update-due-for-launch-as-soon-as-tomorrow/
that rumor was made up by someone in this thread, posted on 9to5mac as gospel, added to MR front page, we laughed in this thread about it, then it was removed on 9to5, moved to page 2 on MR, original poster banned... so yea, they may be coming, but if it is then that story is just coincidence.
http://www.macrumors.com/2010/03/11/macbook-pro-update-due-for-launch-as-soon-as-tomorrow/
that rumor was made up by someone in this thread, posted on 9to5mac as gospel, added to MR front page, we laughed in this thread about it, then it was removed on 9to5, moved to page 2 on MR, original poster banned... so yea, they may be coming, but if it is then that story is just coincidence.
Iroganai
Jul 23, 12:09 AM
I hope the new iPod's ebook mode can handle PDF files. That would rock.
There're some portable ebook reader out there, say Sony's, but they
are too closed source and you can only put documents you bought, not the documents you made yourself. I hope Apple won't take that stupid approach...
There're some portable ebook reader out there, say Sony's, but they
are too closed source and you can only put documents you bought, not the documents you made yourself. I hope Apple won't take that stupid approach...
spaceballl
Mar 12, 01:33 AM
Hmmm... Apple presumably needs to update their site some time before 5:30AM PST... so... maybe they can squeeze some MacBook Pros in there as well?
jaxstate
Aug 29, 10:17 AM
I'm a bit on the bubble on this. It's cool that you can get the OS that you really need, but on the other side, this **** is going to confuse the hell out of non tech savvy people.
Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_i_16/002-8029411-1096001?ie=UTF8&keywords=Vista&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AVista%2Ci%3Asoftware&page=1) has Vista available for Preorder at the above-mentioned prices
They do updates, they are just free. No need for a full release for small add ons.:rolleyes:
Wow, not getting updates to your OS for half a decade is now an advantage is it?
And Windows users accuse Mac owners of being delusional!
Amazon (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_nr_i_16/002-8029411-1096001?ie=UTF8&keywords=Vista&rh=i%3Aaps%2Ck%3AVista%2Ci%3Asoftware&page=1) has Vista available for Preorder at the above-mentioned prices
They do updates, they are just free. No need for a full release for small add ons.:rolleyes:
Wow, not getting updates to your OS for half a decade is now an advantage is it?
And Windows users accuse Mac owners of being delusional!
mdntcallr
Sep 6, 08:52 AM
hmmm..... may pick up one of the large ones.
wanna play with one at an apple store first though. also see if i can upgrade the graphics card. or see if the one included is good enough for photography and gaming.
wanna play with one at an apple store first though. also see if i can upgrade the graphics card. or see if the one included is good enough for photography and gaming.
akadmon
Sep 6, 10:08 AM
why does it say 50% faster. i thought merom was only 20% faster than yonah?
The comparison is between a 2.00GHz CD and a 2.33 GHx C2D.
1.4 x faster *(2.00/2.33) = 1.2 x faster at the same clock rating
The comparison is between a 2.00GHz CD and a 2.33 GHx C2D.
1.4 x faster *(2.00/2.33) = 1.2 x faster at the same clock rating
womble2k2
Mar 19, 01:41 PM
The only usable iPod is the iPod Touch. The ClickWheel "interface" of the classic is a royal pain in the back when you have to navigate through thousands of titles.
If you use a classic for a long time, you get very used to the click wheel and find navigation easy.
My soon to be sister-in-law has had a classic since the third generation (currently uses a 5th gen and an iPhone). She has got so used to the click wheel, she can move around her library (which maxes out her 80 Gig drive) in seconds. It's amazing to watch!
I guess it is like some people do not like touchscreen phones and would prefer to have a fiddly little keyboard to type messages than a virtual keyboard.
My guess is that the classic will remain, but may get a touch interface, maybe even a virtual click wheel using a little bit of vibration to give some feedback.
There is a chance that the next iPod Touch will have a 128 Gig option, but it will be at a high price. I always think there is a need for a cost effective hard drive based iPod. Even looking at the Keynote where the iPod was announced, SJ compared the price per song and at the time, dividing the purchase price of devices by the number of tracks they held (a bit meaningless, but does prove a point), Flash was at $10 / track and Hard Drive was at $0.30 per track.
Doing those calculations of the various models of Touch and the Classic you get;
(Based on 256 Kbps AAC)
8GB Touch = $0.31 per track
32 GB Touch = $0.08 per track
64 GB Touch = $0.05 per track
Classic = $0.01 per track
So the classic is currently the king of affordable personal music storage, however flash memory prices have fallen faster than super compact hard drive prices so should Apple double the capacity and keep the same price points on the next refresh, you could see Touches at around $0.02 to $0.03, so not much in it!
My last point is that no matter how much storage a device has, there will always be people who will want more. I know people who have music libraries that fill a 2 TB external drive! They have however encoded their old CD's at 512 Kbps, so can use the option to re-encode to 128 Kbps when they Sync. The solution here could be cloud based storage, but you would need a constant connection to the internet which would firstly require every device has more than just WiFi. Probably need the Kindle 3G type of solution. Secondly, it is not always possible to be connected (i.e. on flights, underground metro systems, etc) and thirdly, you'd be draining your battery!
Phil
If you use a classic for a long time, you get very used to the click wheel and find navigation easy.
My soon to be sister-in-law has had a classic since the third generation (currently uses a 5th gen and an iPhone). She has got so used to the click wheel, she can move around her library (which maxes out her 80 Gig drive) in seconds. It's amazing to watch!
I guess it is like some people do not like touchscreen phones and would prefer to have a fiddly little keyboard to type messages than a virtual keyboard.
My guess is that the classic will remain, but may get a touch interface, maybe even a virtual click wheel using a little bit of vibration to give some feedback.
There is a chance that the next iPod Touch will have a 128 Gig option, but it will be at a high price. I always think there is a need for a cost effective hard drive based iPod. Even looking at the Keynote where the iPod was announced, SJ compared the price per song and at the time, dividing the purchase price of devices by the number of tracks they held (a bit meaningless, but does prove a point), Flash was at $10 / track and Hard Drive was at $0.30 per track.
Doing those calculations of the various models of Touch and the Classic you get;
(Based on 256 Kbps AAC)
8GB Touch = $0.31 per track
32 GB Touch = $0.08 per track
64 GB Touch = $0.05 per track
Classic = $0.01 per track
So the classic is currently the king of affordable personal music storage, however flash memory prices have fallen faster than super compact hard drive prices so should Apple double the capacity and keep the same price points on the next refresh, you could see Touches at around $0.02 to $0.03, so not much in it!
My last point is that no matter how much storage a device has, there will always be people who will want more. I know people who have music libraries that fill a 2 TB external drive! They have however encoded their old CD's at 512 Kbps, so can use the option to re-encode to 128 Kbps when they Sync. The solution here could be cloud based storage, but you would need a constant connection to the internet which would firstly require every device has more than just WiFi. Probably need the Kindle 3G type of solution. Secondly, it is not always possible to be connected (i.e. on flights, underground metro systems, etc) and thirdly, you'd be draining your battery!
Phil
TMay
Oct 13, 10:09 PM
I like your style Nipsy and your points are well taken. I think that a lot of people are just venting.
Personally, I would find it extremely hard to believe that Apple wants to live and die by a Photoshop metric. On the other hand, Intel and AMD don't seem to be making bank on every speed increase either, which tells me that PC's are price constrained commodities for the most part.
Apple, on the other hand, is quite aware of the dollars that can be generated with a quick and substantial speed bump in January, especially as most of the bleeding edge types that have stuck their noses up at the 7455 machines.
I have a dual 500 with a hardware raid (ata66), and I can get a good speed bump by jumping to a 133 raid and 7200 RPM drives, should I need to stretch this a bit more. Then, of course, there are dual 800 and 1G upgrades, though I would need to see quite a price decrease to be interested in these.
Is it worth it to incrementally bump the machine? Probably not.
I bought my first, a 128, in Feb 84. There wasn't, for all practical purposes, any software other than MacWrite and MacPaint. Then we went through both the Sculley and Amelio eras.
Apple has had its up's and down's. Apple's definitely on an up swing now with the release of Jaguar.
I advocate patience regarding hardware. Apple knows quite well that we want to splend our money. 3 more months, I would think.
Personally, I would find it extremely hard to believe that Apple wants to live and die by a Photoshop metric. On the other hand, Intel and AMD don't seem to be making bank on every speed increase either, which tells me that PC's are price constrained commodities for the most part.
Apple, on the other hand, is quite aware of the dollars that can be generated with a quick and substantial speed bump in January, especially as most of the bleeding edge types that have stuck their noses up at the 7455 machines.
I have a dual 500 with a hardware raid (ata66), and I can get a good speed bump by jumping to a 133 raid and 7200 RPM drives, should I need to stretch this a bit more. Then, of course, there are dual 800 and 1G upgrades, though I would need to see quite a price decrease to be interested in these.
Is it worth it to incrementally bump the machine? Probably not.
I bought my first, a 128, in Feb 84. There wasn't, for all practical purposes, any software other than MacWrite and MacPaint. Then we went through both the Sculley and Amelio eras.
Apple has had its up's and down's. Apple's definitely on an up swing now with the release of Jaguar.
I advocate patience regarding hardware. Apple knows quite well that we want to splend our money. 3 more months, I would think.
stabsteer
Apr 14, 01:01 AM
No clue. I bet it would run but not all that well. I hope these comments on the rest of the Studio will calm some of the "sky is falling" pessimists. I'm not saying that FCPX is a home run yet but I'm more than happy to leave my torch and pitchfork in the shed based on what's been demoed so far.
Don't know what these people are talking about. It will run fine on a maxed out 13" air. It's not nearly the same as a maxed out Mac Pro, but it will work fine. These people are just blowing steam without a clue. No one really knows but you should be fine. That's what I have after all!
Don't know what these people are talking about. It will run fine on a maxed out 13" air. It's not nearly the same as a maxed out Mac Pro, but it will work fine. These people are just blowing steam without a clue. No one really knows but you should be fine. That's what I have after all!
dale223223
May 3, 12:49 PM
If you can't pay for medical care then you should just suffer and die as well.
F ************ oxygen thieves. Survival of the fittest doesn't include the weak & poor.
Hitler knew it best.
Seriously... you all keep doing what you are doing... modern civilization will fall either way. We've been thieving from mother earth pretty heavily over the past 150 years so we'll get our's collectively as a species soon... no need to feel left out. In the meantime... I'll be keeping my $1500. Thanks.
F ************ oxygen thieves. Survival of the fittest doesn't include the weak & poor.
Hitler knew it best.
Seriously... you all keep doing what you are doing... modern civilization will fall either way. We've been thieving from mother earth pretty heavily over the past 150 years so we'll get our's collectively as a species soon... no need to feel left out. In the meantime... I'll be keeping my $1500. Thanks.
rdowns
Apr 17, 01:40 PM
Or being a good adult and actually...parenting instead of letting an iPad do it for you.
Parents these days...
Are you ****ing serious? How the hell did you get this from letting his kid use the iPad occasionally?
Posters these days...:rolleyes:
Parents these days...
Are you ****ing serious? How the hell did you get this from letting his kid use the iPad occasionally?
Posters these days...:rolleyes:
GGJstudios
Nov 23, 07:17 PM
^ Uhm. Popularity does not imply quality.
Neither does obscurity. However, success in the music industry is generally measured by how many people like a musician's work. Ask any musician whether they'd rather create music that appeals to 4 people, or 40,000,000 people. :rolleyes: Your individual lack of appreciation of The Beatles doesn't diminish their success, collectively and individually. To discount their accomplishments and influence is to display monumental naivet�.
Neither does obscurity. However, success in the music industry is generally measured by how many people like a musician's work. Ask any musician whether they'd rather create music that appeals to 4 people, or 40,000,000 people. :rolleyes: Your individual lack of appreciation of The Beatles doesn't diminish their success, collectively and individually. To discount their accomplishments and influence is to display monumental naivet�.
TheMacFeed
Oct 11, 06:19 PM
http://oi52.tinypic.com/14m85qp.jpg
I like this a lot. Doesn't that light make a glare?
I like this a lot. Doesn't that light make a glare?
xSPRINTERx
Apr 2, 02:25 PM
A good photographer can take brilliant photographs with a disposible camera, a bad photographer will still take rubbish photographs with a top end DSLR. :)
So true, there is always a person in every photo.
The photographer....
So true, there is always a person in every photo.
The photographer....
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